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		<title>By: Lassi Eronen</title>
		<link>http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/gut/natural-cancer-treatment-has-90-success-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-1775</link>
		<dc:creator>Lassi Eronen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This test is just absolute compilation of idiocy, alchemy and lies. Do u ever view anything critically that comes out of these gurus&#039; mouths?</description>
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		<title>By: Best Natural Cancer Treatment &#124; Listen To Your Gut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Best Natural Cancer Treatment &#124; Listen To Your Gut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ehmke &#8211; who has trained directly with Dr. William Donald Kelley and is fluent in Dr. Simoncini&#8217;s protocols, among many others &#8211; gives us the benefit of his 30+ years of using alternative treatment [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ehmke &#8211; who has trained directly with Dr. William Donald Kelley and is fluent in Dr. Simoncini&#8217;s protocols, among many others &#8211; gives us the benefit of his 30+ years of using alternative treatment [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Beatis</title>
		<link>http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/gut/natural-cancer-treatment-has-90-success-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-1328</link>
		<dc:creator>Beatis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ JINI,

Trust me, we have tried to find research proving baking soda is effective against cancer, but there isn&#039;t any, that&#039;s the problem. 

You say:

“I don&#039;t believe using sodium bicarbonate orally to change the pH of urine was ever suggested by Simoncini as an effective therapy for bladder cancer. From what I&#039;ve read, he&#039;s pretty insistent that one must use a variety of methods of application to get the baking soda itself in direct contact with the affected tissue.”

Simoncini claims that cancer is a fungus - candida albicans - caused in its turn by our body&#039;s ph being compromised. But there is no evidence whatsoever that cancer is s fungus. There is no evidence that changing our body ph causes fungus. There is no evidence that locally changing our body ph – as Simoncini does when he infuses the tumour with sodium bicarbonate – will destroy the fungus/cancer. (How one can destroy something which isn’t there in the fist place is beyond me in the first place, but never mind that now.) And last but not least: there is no evidence whatsoever that baking soda is effective against systemic fungal infections. We have effective drugs against systemic fungal infections and baking soda is just not one of them.

One of our blog members is jli. He is a pathologist/scientist who deals with cancer on a daily basis. Not once in his career has he seen that cancer is a fungus. And he is not the only one.


I think it is sad and deplorable that Simoncini has not been able to deliver one shred of evidence for his theory. He should have done so, making the claims that he does. I also think it is very disrespectful towards cancer patients to make statements – promises - like these while not being able to back them up in any way. And now science is blamed for not being able to prove his theory - he should have done it himself. This would not have to be very expensive, since baking soda is cheap and can easily be bought in vast quantities for little money. Why didn&#039;t he do this?

I also think it very problematic that he actively advises against surgery. Surgery is the primary treatment for all solid cancers. Telling patients not to have their cancer removed but have infusions with sodium bicarbonate instead is unbelievably irresponsible in my opinion. 

You say baking soda is cheap. It is. But Simoncini’s treatment is not. Now, how can that be?

I appreciate your quest for natural therapies. Please bear in mind however that nature itself produces the most lethal toxins imaginable, which have been the basis for effective and life- saving drugs for years. I’ll mention just a few:
Arsenic
Amygdalin
Digoxin
Strychnine
Cocaine
Curare
Cicutoxin
Morphine
Ricin

‘Natural’ does not by definition equal ‘harmless’.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ JINI,</p>
<p>Trust me, we have tried to find research proving baking soda is effective against cancer, but there isn&#8217;t any, that&#8217;s the problem. </p>
<p>You say:</p>
<p>“I don&#8217;t believe using sodium bicarbonate orally to change the pH of urine was ever suggested by Simoncini as an effective therapy for bladder cancer. From what I&#8217;ve read, he&#8217;s pretty insistent that one must use a variety of methods of application to get the baking soda itself in direct contact with the affected tissue.”</p>
<p>Simoncini claims that cancer is a fungus &#8211; candida albicans &#8211; caused in its turn by our body&#8217;s ph being compromised. But there is no evidence whatsoever that cancer is s fungus. There is no evidence that changing our body ph causes fungus. There is no evidence that locally changing our body ph – as Simoncini does when he infuses the tumour with sodium bicarbonate – will destroy the fungus/cancer. (How one can destroy something which isn’t there in the fist place is beyond me in the first place, but never mind that now.) And last but not least: there is no evidence whatsoever that baking soda is effective against systemic fungal infections. We have effective drugs against systemic fungal infections and baking soda is just not one of them.</p>
<p>One of our blog members is jli. He is a pathologist/scientist who deals with cancer on a daily basis. Not once in his career has he seen that cancer is a fungus. And he is not the only one.</p>
<p>I think it is sad and deplorable that Simoncini has not been able to deliver one shred of evidence for his theory. He should have done so, making the claims that he does. I also think it is very disrespectful towards cancer patients to make statements – promises &#8211; like these while not being able to back them up in any way. And now science is blamed for not being able to prove his theory &#8211; he should have done it himself. This would not have to be very expensive, since baking soda is cheap and can easily be bought in vast quantities for little money. Why didn&#8217;t he do this?</p>
<p>I also think it very problematic that he actively advises against surgery. Surgery is the primary treatment for all solid cancers. Telling patients not to have their cancer removed but have infusions with sodium bicarbonate instead is unbelievably irresponsible in my opinion. </p>
<p>You say baking soda is cheap. It is. But Simoncini’s treatment is not. Now, how can that be?</p>
<p>I appreciate your quest for natural therapies. Please bear in mind however that nature itself produces the most lethal toxins imaginable, which have been the basis for effective and life- saving drugs for years. I’ll mention just a few:<br />
Arsenic<br />
Amygdalin<br />
Digoxin<br />
Strychnine<br />
Cocaine<br />
Curare<br />
Cicutoxin<br />
Morphine<br />
Ricin</p>
<p>‘Natural’ does not by definition equal ‘harmless’.</p>
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		<title>By: JINI</title>
		<link>http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/gut/natural-cancer-treatment-has-90-success-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-1327</link>
		<dc:creator>JINI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Beatis - thanks for providing that link. Further discussion and investigation is always good. However, we also need to be transparent about our biases. I feel a quick scan of my blog topics or site content shows I&#039;m pretty biased in favor of natural treatments for diseases.

I&#039;m glad too that you&#039;re up-front about your bias in the ABOUT section of your blog:

&quot;The main purpose of this blog is to warn people against alternative medicine, alternative cancer treatments in particular. By alternative cancer treatments we mean treatments that are used instead of standard cancer therapy and of which there is no reliable indication of their efficacy.&quot;

A couple of things jumped out at me after reading your blog postings on Simoncini (keeping in mind that I know very little about cancer and am just a layperson, so very willing to be corrected by those who are immersed in applicable research):

- I don&#039;t believe using sodium bicarbonate orally to change the pH of urine was ever suggested by Simoncini as an effective therapy for bladder cancer. From what I&#039;ve read, he&#039;s pretty insistent that one must use a variety of methods of application to get the baking soda itself in direct contact with the affected tissue.

- if you go to one of Simoncini&#039;s sites, he himself lists a number of different cases where the baking soda treatment will not be effective (I&#039;ll compile a summary of these and add them to my blog post above as an udate): 
http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/cancer-therapy-faq.html

- those of us who have been involved with researching ANY medical/body/health issue know that we can come up with any number of scientific papers that say YES to any given proposition and the same number that say NO. Obviously I&#039;m oversimplifiying here to make a point, but, have you ever researched the &quot;other side of the coin&quot; with the same tenacity, passion and doggedness as the side that you want to put forth? I have. 

Perhaps the fellow who calls himself &quot;Wewee&quot; on your blog should give this a try and set himself the task of finding 5 studies in medical publications that support the use and efficacy of sodium bicarbonate in cancer treatment and see what he comes up with. But again, it has to be done in the full spirit and passion of his anti-sodium bicarb expose, or he won&#039;t come up with the goods.

And that&#039;s why, unscientific though it may be, the crowning determinant in my books is - theory aside, does it work? And in order to assess that question, you need to have people who are committed to testing the protocol in its entirety, as originally laid out by the person who got good results from it, and then refine it as necessary to achieve the highest possible success.

Also, and again, here&#039;s the bias of my own personal experience and my reader&#039;s feedback: For any complex or systemic disease, there is very rarely going to be just ONE treatment that &quot;cures&quot; it. These conditions have many components and one must adopt a wholistic approach in order to heal the numerous roots of causation that are feeding into the disease expression.

So, rather than just looking at research trial publications, I also like to do a lot of talking to practitioners who are actually working with these diseases and the people who are actually trying these protocols.

We can feel as triumphant and secure as we like within the walls of our cosy scientific paradigms. But at the end of the day-- are you healed? Are you healthy, vibrant, strong and energetic? That&#039;s the litmus test.

Oh, and one more thing it&#039;s important to keep in mind. Simoncini himself is not saying to patients - &quot;Just do this sodium bicarbonate treatment or you&#039;re doomed!&quot; Here is his answer to a patient questioning:
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What do I have to say to my internist to convince him that I want to follow the bicarbonate therapy?&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&quot;The therapy can be done before and/or after a chemo or radiation treatment. Ask him to let you follow the therapy with the Sodium Bicarbonate according to the Dr.Simoncini protocol, depending on the type of cancer, location, size etc tec. The therapy will approximately take 8 weeks. After this period an examination should be performed. Cat scan, MRI, echo etc. The results will be either supporting the therapy or not. This therapy is totally safe and cheap and can be followed also as a supplementary therapy. If the doctor will not go along with your request than ask him to respect the will of the suffering patient.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;

So anyway, glad you&#039;re going into the other realm of possibilities here. Questioning, searching and experimenting is always good. I appreciate your contribution!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Beatis &#8211; thanks for providing that link. Further discussion and investigation is always good. However, we also need to be transparent about our biases. I feel a quick scan of my blog topics or site content shows I&#8217;m pretty biased in favor of natural treatments for diseases.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad too that you&#8217;re up-front about your bias in the ABOUT section of your blog:</p>
<p>&#8220;The main purpose of this blog is to warn people against alternative medicine, alternative cancer treatments in particular. By alternative cancer treatments we mean treatments that are used instead of standard cancer therapy and of which there is no reliable indication of their efficacy.&#8221;</p>
<p>A couple of things jumped out at me after reading your blog postings on Simoncini (keeping in mind that I know very little about cancer and am just a layperson, so very willing to be corrected by those who are immersed in applicable research):</p>
<p>- I don&#8217;t believe using sodium bicarbonate orally to change the pH of urine was ever suggested by Simoncini as an effective therapy for bladder cancer. From what I&#8217;ve read, he&#8217;s pretty insistent that one must use a variety of methods of application to get the baking soda itself in direct contact with the affected tissue.</p>
<p>- if you go to one of Simoncini&#8217;s sites, he himself lists a number of different cases where the baking soda treatment will not be effective (I&#8217;ll compile a summary of these and add them to my blog post above as an udate):<br />
<a href="http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/cancer-therapy-faq.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/cancer-therapy-faq.html</a></p>
<p>- those of us who have been involved with researching ANY medical/body/health issue know that we can come up with any number of scientific papers that say YES to any given proposition and the same number that say NO. Obviously I&#8217;m oversimplifiying here to make a point, but, have you ever researched the &#8220;other side of the coin&#8221; with the same tenacity, passion and doggedness as the side that you want to put forth? I have. </p>
<p>Perhaps the fellow who calls himself &#8220;Wewee&#8221; on your blog should give this a try and set himself the task of finding 5 studies in medical publications that support the use and efficacy of sodium bicarbonate in cancer treatment and see what he comes up with. But again, it has to be done in the full spirit and passion of his anti-sodium bicarb expose, or he won&#8217;t come up with the goods.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s why, unscientific though it may be, the crowning determinant in my books is &#8211; theory aside, does it work? And in order to assess that question, you need to have people who are committed to testing the protocol in its entirety, as originally laid out by the person who got good results from it, and then refine it as necessary to achieve the highest possible success.</p>
<p>Also, and again, here&#8217;s the bias of my own personal experience and my reader&#8217;s feedback: For any complex or systemic disease, there is very rarely going to be just ONE treatment that &#8220;cures&#8221; it. These conditions have many components and one must adopt a wholistic approach in order to heal the numerous roots of causation that are feeding into the disease expression.</p>
<p>So, rather than just looking at research trial publications, I also like to do a lot of talking to practitioners who are actually working with these diseases and the people who are actually trying these protocols.</p>
<p>We can feel as triumphant and secure as we like within the walls of our cosy scientific paradigms. But at the end of the day&#8211; are you healed? Are you healthy, vibrant, strong and energetic? That&#8217;s the litmus test.</p>
<p>Oh, and one more thing it&#8217;s important to keep in mind. Simoncini himself is not saying to patients &#8211; &#8220;Just do this sodium bicarbonate treatment or you&#8217;re doomed!&#8221; Here is his answer to a patient questioning:<br />
<em><br />
What do I have to say to my internist to convince him that I want to follow the bicarbonate therapy?</em></p>
<p><strong>&#8220;The therapy can be done before and/or after a chemo or radiation treatment. Ask him to let you follow the therapy with the Sodium Bicarbonate according to the Dr.Simoncini protocol, depending on the type of cancer, location, size etc tec. The therapy will approximately take 8 weeks. After this period an examination should be performed. Cat scan, MRI, echo etc. The results will be either supporting the therapy or not. This therapy is totally safe and cheap and can be followed also as a supplementary therapy. If the doctor will not go along with your request than ask him to respect the will of the suffering patient.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>So anyway, glad you&#8217;re going into the other realm of possibilities here. Questioning, searching and experimenting is always good. I appreciate your contribution!</p>
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		<title>By: Beatis</title>
		<link>http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/gut/natural-cancer-treatment-has-90-success-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-1325</link>
		<dc:creator>Beatis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please read this before deciding to be treated by Tullio Simoncini:
http://anaximperator.wordpress.com/category/tullio-simoncini/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please read this before deciding to be treated by Tullio Simoncini:<br />
<a href="http://anaximperator.wordpress.com/category/tullio-simoncini/" rel="nofollow">http://anaximperator.wordpress.com/category/tullio-simoncini/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cancer is a fungus!! Look at the similarities between cancer and candida. Cancer is the long term effect of candida. And like all modern disease such as hiv and so on are caused by the medical world. And The damage being done to our basic foods before we eat them. Any cell that is deprived of 60% of oxygen turns cancerous. . Candida breeds in low oxygen so does cancer . A cleaver doctor will know all disease is from candida or parasites and our shocking acidic western diet. Nature knows best and we should learn how to use it to our advantage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cancer is a fungus!! Look at the similarities between cancer and candida. Cancer is the long term effect of candida. And like all modern disease such as hiv and so on are caused by the medical world. And The damage being done to our basic foods before we eat them. Any cell that is deprived of 60% of oxygen turns cancerous. . Candida breeds in low oxygen so does cancer . A cleaver doctor will know all disease is from candida or parasites and our shocking acidic western diet. Nature knows best and we should learn how to use it to our advantage.</p>
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		<title>By: Wow</title>
		<link>http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/gut/natural-cancer-treatment-has-90-success-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-289</link>
		<dc:creator>Wow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dr. Simoncini maintains that cancer is a fungus&quot;

And that is why he should lose his license, he&#039;s a moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dr. Simoncini maintains that cancer is a fungus&#8221;</p>
<p>And that is why he should lose his license, he&#8217;s a moron.</p>
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		<dc:creator>skin care</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always learn something new when visiting thank you very much!</description>
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		<title>By: ZIGGAZAG &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Life&#8217;s A Trip</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZIGGAZAG &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Life&#8217;s A Trip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 03:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to the precursors to cancerous growth. And speaking of which, there is indeed an astoundingly effective natural treatment protocol for cancer that works for everything but bone [...]</description>
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