Comments on: Forced Vaccination – How To Stop It http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/forced-vaccination-how-to-stop-it/ Natural Health Solutions with Jini Patel Thompson Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:06:47 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: ashley http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/forced-vaccination-how-to-stop-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1294 ashley Sat, 08 Aug 2009 09:16:30 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=323#comment-1294 Hi JIni, The Huffington Post also picks up articles from around the web - inclusive of local media (like the Tyee and the Common Ground), and they look as if they have expanded their health section (I have seen "write for us" signs pop up every now and then). If you can slide through any of those venues, or if there is a way to recommend a blogger - I'd be amongst those who would be willing to vouch for giving you some space on prime real estate. My interest in gut inflammatory disorders, infection, and stress stems from these factors being a constant on my maternal side. My nephew, who suffered from delibitating shyness during his youth, now has Crohn's and his brother has schizophrenia. This mind-gut connection runs throughout the family at varying degrees. I (like you) managed to overcome my own issues, but have become the "go-to" person in the family for advice due to my training in both biopsychology (BA) and microbiology (MSc) - interesting combo, I know. My current position with the Health Authority has put me at a conflict of interest - especially in regards to my objection in rolling out a slew of new prophylactic, untried vaccines and enrolling people to act as guinea pigs for the pharmaceutical industries running the show through our academic and health institutions - funded by tax payers. People like you and Alan Cassels that question this wisdom give much needed objection to the exploitation of mass ignorance. At the end of the day - our only crutch is knowledge. Looking forward to your next food for thought. Hi JIni,
The Huffington Post also picks up articles from around the web – inclusive of local media (like the Tyee and the Common Ground), and they look as if they have expanded their health section (I have seen “write for us” signs pop up every now and then). If you can slide through any of those venues, or if there is a way to recommend a blogger – I’d be amongst those who would be willing to vouch for giving you some space on prime real estate.
My interest in gut inflammatory disorders, infection, and stress stems from these factors being a constant on my maternal side. My nephew, who suffered from delibitating shyness during his youth, now has Crohn’s and his brother has schizophrenia. This mind-gut connection runs throughout the family at varying degrees. I (like you) managed to overcome my own issues, but have become the “go-to” person in the family for advice due to my training in both biopsychology (BA) and microbiology (MSc) – interesting combo, I know. My current position with the Health Authority has put me at a conflict of interest – especially in regards to my objection in rolling out a slew of new prophylactic, untried vaccines and enrolling people to act as guinea pigs for the pharmaceutical industries running the show through our academic and health institutions – funded by tax payers. People like you and Alan Cassels that question this wisdom give much needed objection to the exploitation of mass ignorance. At the end of the day – our only crutch is knowledge.
Looking forward to your next food for thought.

]]> By: JINI http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/forced-vaccination-how-to-stop-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1292 JINI Wed, 05 Aug 2009 03:45:49 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=323#comment-1292 Hi Ashley, thanks so much for your kind comment. But I believe you have to be invited to write for the Huffington Post. So, don't know if others can suggest bloggers to the Huffington, or if they have to just discover someone themselves... And yes, I've been doing this for 10 years now and will certainly keep going. Are you a JPT Wellness Circle member? Because you seem the ideal person for it, have a look and you can do a one month trial for only a buck (that includes being able to download all kinds of free content - for sure check out the "Colonoscopy Dangers" report): http://www.JPTwellnessCircle.com take care my dear. Jini Hi Ashley, thanks so much for your kind comment. But I believe you have to be invited to write for the Huffington Post. So, don’t know if others can suggest bloggers to the Huffington, or if they have to just discover someone themselves…

And yes, I’ve been doing this for 10 years now and will certainly keep going. Are you a JPT Wellness Circle member? Because you seem the ideal person for it, have a look and you can do a one month trial for only a buck (that includes being able to download all kinds of free content – for sure check out the “Colonoscopy Dangers” report):

http://www.JPTwellnessCircle.com

take care my dear.
Jini

]]> By: ashley http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/forced-vaccination-how-to-stop-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1291 ashley Wed, 05 Aug 2009 03:10:00 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=323#comment-1291 Jini, you have a great ability to synthesize and articulate important health information that at the very least inspires dialogue and food for thought. You should consider putting your blogs in the health section of the Huffington Post which would greatly expand your base. I was particularly disturbed that a woman doctor had written a piece about how she is going to get her daughter the HPV vaccine and encouraging others to do the same - but there have been many health experts who have written about self-awareness and questioning the pill popping and vaccine happy ways of Americans who happen to have a life expectancy below many industrialized nations but the highest cost per person for health care. Hope to see you continue this education process. Jini, you have a great ability to synthesize and articulate important health information that at the very least inspires dialogue and food for thought. You should consider putting your blogs in the health section of the Huffington Post which would greatly expand your base. I was particularly disturbed that a woman doctor had written a piece about how she is going to get her daughter the HPV vaccine and encouraging others to do the same – but there have been many health experts who have written about self-awareness and questioning the pill popping and vaccine happy ways of Americans who happen to have a life expectancy below many industrialized nations but the highest cost per person for health care. Hope to see you continue this education process.

]]> By: JINI http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/forced-vaccination-how-to-stop-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1283 JINI Mon, 27 Jul 2009 06:25:55 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=323#comment-1283 Oh yes, one more thing, this seems to be the news article from which all the various commentary has stemmed: http://www.cnsnews.com/PUBLIC/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=51115 Also, one more interesting point to think about, the bill also states (same clause, pg 14): "Authorizes states to purchase adult vaccines under CDC contracts. Currently, 23 states purchase vaccines under CDC contracts. These contracts for adult vaccines provide savings that range from 23-69 percent compared to the private sector cost." However, my brother Ricken (director of Avaaz.org) has told me that pharmaceuticals have repeatedly managed to get "special purchase" deals with the US gov't where the gov't has paid far in excess of what the drugs can command on the open market. So, yet another point that can be construed and implemented very differently from the way it is being presented. Oh yes, one more thing, this seems to be the news article from which all the various commentary has stemmed:

http://www.cnsnews.com/PUBLIC/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=51115

Also, one more interesting point to think about, the bill also states (same clause, pg 14):

“Authorizes states to purchase adult vaccines under CDC contracts. Currently, 23 states purchase vaccines under CDC contracts. These contracts for adult vaccines provide savings that range from 23-69 percent compared to the private sector cost.”

However, my brother Ricken (director of Avaaz.org) has told me that pharmaceuticals have repeatedly managed to get “special purchase” deals with the US gov’t where the gov’t has paid far in excess of what the drugs can command on the open market. So, yet another point that can be construed and implemented very differently from the way it is being presented.

]]> By: JINI http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/forced-vaccination-how-to-stop-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1282 JINI Mon, 27 Jul 2009 06:12:39 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=323#comment-1282 oooh Craig - you are nailing me to the wall - love it! And yes, everything you've written is correct. I was sloppy - quoting second-hand sources. So here are the original documents from the gov't site: http://help.senate.gov/ The documents are all down the left hand side in a box marked "In The Spotlight" This is the download link for the committee summary document where the Health Freedom Alliance got their quote from (by the way, the quote is at the very top of page 14): http://help.senate.gov/Maj_press/2009_07_15_b.pdf And here is the download link for the actual health care bill they're referring to: http://help.senate.gov/BAI09A84_xml.pdf Now that we've got that out of the way, I had another thought: we know there are a lot of vested interests that don't want healthcare reform - which any outsider can see the US desperately needs. So, I don't know enough to assess whether the entirety of this bill is a move in a positive direction, or not. But, if it is, we need to be careful with our protesting - to make it clear that we are not opposing the entire bill, but just that section of it. Just a thought and you are likely in a better position to assess this than me... oooh Craig – you are nailing me to the wall – love it! And yes, everything you’ve written is correct. I was sloppy – quoting second-hand sources.

So here are the original documents from the gov’t site:
http://help.senate.gov/

The documents are all down the left hand side in a box marked “In The Spotlight”

This is the download link for the committee summary document where the Health Freedom Alliance got their quote from (by the way, the quote is at the very top of page 14):
http://help.senate.gov/Maj_press/2009_07_15_b.pdf

And here is the download link for the actual health care bill they’re referring to:
http://help.senate.gov/BAI09A84_xml.pdf

Now that we’ve got that out of the way, I had another thought: we know there are a lot of vested interests that don’t want healthcare reform – which any outsider can see the US desperately needs. So, I don’t know enough to assess whether the entirety of this bill is a move in a positive direction, or not. But, if it is, we need to be careful with our protesting – to make it clear that we are not opposing the entire bill, but just that section of it. Just a thought and you are likely in a better position to assess this than me…

]]> By: Craig http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/forced-vaccination-how-to-stop-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1281 Craig Mon, 27 Jul 2009 04:02:32 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=323#comment-1281 Jini, respectfully, most of your reply had nothing to do with my post. I didn't comment on the safety or efficacy of vaccines in general, or the moral compass of the pharmaceutical industry. My comment was about whether the legislation you cited would authorize forced vaccinations in your own home, and whether the source you cited was credible. I did read the interview with the vaccine researcher, but it doesn't say anything about home visits. I also read the post from HFA that you just pasted, which basically just asks fear-inducing questions that have no rational basis in the legislation being quoted in the same post. Even the stock photo they used is designed to scare people without cause. Would it be fair for me to say the following? "'I'm Jini Patel Thompson, and if you don't buy my book I'm going to break down your door and grab your children.' Is this a scene from the over-heated imagination of an addlepated conspiracy theorist? Or is it something akin to what is actually envisioned by Thompson's marketing materials?" Did that make you angry? It should. But I just paraphrased the HFA post you cited. I used a hypothetical to make it seem like your materials said something that it didn't say, which is exactly what HFA did with the legislation. I asked you to refer me to an objective source, and you again referred to an organization that is actively opposed to vaccinations. That means they're not objective. Instead of referring me to any mainstream sources, you just asked me to expand my research. You concluded by pointing out that the government wouldn't actually disclose its nefarious plans. In other words, lack of a stated conspiracy is evidence of a conspiracy. You're doing a disservice to the cause you're trying to promote, by making baseless statements instead of using objective, mainstream sources. Jini, respectfully, most of your reply had nothing to do with my post. I didn’t comment on the safety or efficacy of vaccines in general, or the moral compass of the pharmaceutical industry. My comment was about whether the legislation you cited would authorize forced vaccinations in your own home, and whether the source you cited was credible. I did read the interview with the vaccine researcher, but it doesn’t say anything about home visits.

I also read the post from HFA that you just pasted, which basically just asks fear-inducing questions that have no rational basis in the legislation being quoted in the same post. Even the stock photo they used is designed to scare people without cause.

Would it be fair for me to say the following?

“‘I’m Jini Patel Thompson, and if you don’t buy my book I’m going to break down your door and grab your children.’ Is this a scene from the over-heated imagination of an addlepated conspiracy theorist? Or is it something akin to what is actually envisioned by Thompson’s marketing materials?”

Did that make you angry? It should. But I just paraphrased the HFA post you cited. I used a hypothetical to make it seem like your materials said something that it didn’t say, which is exactly what HFA did with the legislation.

I asked you to refer me to an objective source, and you again referred to an organization that is actively opposed to vaccinations. That means they’re not objective. Instead of referring me to any mainstream sources, you just asked me to expand my research.

You concluded by pointing out that the government wouldn’t actually disclose its nefarious plans. In other words, lack of a stated conspiracy is evidence of a conspiracy. You’re doing a disservice to the cause you’re trying to promote, by making baseless statements instead of using objective, mainstream sources.

]]> By: JINI http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/forced-vaccination-how-to-stop-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1280 JINI Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:58:08 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=323#comment-1280 Hi Craig, Thanks for sharing your thoughts and I wish I was 'fearmongering'. Unfortunately, when you look at incidences that have already occurred, you realize that the pharmaceuticals are certainly not above activities like this to ensure governments buy millions of units at a time. I don't think you're realizing the financial implications of mass vaccination campaigns - not millions, but billions of dollars. If you do more research on this topic, you will see the incidents that have already occurred that directly violate human results - both in the US and abroad (particularly in third world countries). Also, did you download and read the interview with the vaccine researcher before posting your comment? If not, please start there and then expand your research. Also, what about Baxter caught mixing avian flu virus into a flu vaccine: http://www.opednews.com/articles/Still-Think-They-re-Not-Tr-by-Mr-M-090305-202.html For more info on the quote from the Health Freedom Alliance: http://blogs.healthfreedomalliance.org/blog/2009/07/17/health-care-bill-will-fund-state-vaccine-teams-to-conduct-interventions-in-private-homes/ An examination of history will show that a government preparing for an abuse of human rights never broadcasts that intention clearly in legislation. It is always masked. But the *possibility* for misuse and abuse is evident in the legislation - and that's what this bill will provide via the "home visits". Whether this will *actually* occur, who knows? I'm sure it will depend on the outcry from citizens. That's all I'm saying. Better safe than sorry. Hi Craig, Thanks for sharing your thoughts and I wish I was ‘fearmongering’. Unfortunately, when you look at incidences that have already occurred, you realize that the pharmaceuticals are certainly not above activities like this to ensure governments buy millions of units at a time. I don’t think you’re realizing the financial implications of mass vaccination campaigns – not millions, but billions of dollars.

If you do more research on this topic, you will see the incidents that have already occurred that directly violate human results – both in the US and abroad (particularly in third world countries). Also, did you download and read the interview with the vaccine researcher before posting your comment? If not, please start there and then expand your research.

Also, what about Baxter caught mixing avian flu virus into a flu vaccine:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Still-Think-They-re-Not-Tr-by-Mr-M-090305-202.html

For more info on the quote from the Health Freedom Alliance:
http://blogs.healthfreedomalliance.org/blog/2009/07/17/health-care-bill-will-fund-state-vaccine-teams-to-conduct-interventions-in-private-homes/

An examination of history will show that a government preparing for an abuse of human rights never broadcasts that intention clearly in legislation. It is always masked. But the *possibility* for misuse and abuse is evident in the legislation – and that’s what this bill will provide via the “home visits”. Whether this will *actually* occur, who knows? I’m sure it will depend on the outcry from citizens. That’s all I’m saying. Better safe than sorry.

]]> By: Gloria Lemay http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/forced-vaccination-how-to-stop-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1278 Gloria Lemay Sun, 26 Jul 2009 23:03:11 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=323#comment-1278 http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/ Here's another blogger getting the word out to people. http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/
Here’s another blogger getting the word out to people.

]]> By: Peg http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/forced-vaccination-how-to-stop-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1276 Peg Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:59:44 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=323#comment-1276 No one should ever be required to get any vaccination they do not want. With the government forcing this issue, the question begs to be answered. How does anyone know what they are being injected with? In other parts of this bill, death is encouraged for the elderly instead of medical treatment. This will cut health costs as well as social secuity payments to seniors. Can anyone else envision other substances being injected into seniors (under the guise of a flu vaccine) to hasten their physical demise? This is anti-American and this Health Bill must be stopped. No one should ever be required to get any vaccination they do not want. With the government forcing this issue, the question begs to be answered. How does anyone know what they are being injected with?

In other parts of this bill, death is encouraged for the elderly instead of medical treatment. This will cut health costs as well as social secuity payments to seniors. Can anyone else envision other substances being injected into seniors (under the guise of a flu vaccine) to hasten their physical demise?

This is anti-American and this Health Bill must be stopped.

]]> By: Craig http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/forced-vaccination-how-to-stop-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1274 Craig Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:12:10 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=323#comment-1274 Jini, you've helped a lot of people and I appreciate that, but this vaccination fearmongering is going too far. There's nothing in the legislation you cite that says that the government will conduct forced vaccinations in your home. The proposal includes funding for home visits, but doesn't say anything about them being conducted by force. There are many programs that involve the government providing home-based services to people who are unwilling or unable to get them otherwise. If a child is sick for three weeks and can't go to school, and the government sends a tutor, we don't call her a "phonics storm trooper who knocked down your door with workbooks blazing." To say that "the health storm troopers will be deployed to knock down your door with needles blazing" is completely unwarranted and irresponsible, but I suppose it's not surprising coming from an organization (the Health Freedom Alliance) that has another post on their site describing a vaccination campaign as "genocide." The Health Freedom Alliance is obviously opposed to vaccinations, so perhaps they're not the most objective source of information on this legislation. I've searched, but I can't find any mainstream site that describes these home visits as forced. Unless you can explain where this idea is coming from, please don't keep repeating it. Jini, you’ve helped a lot of people and I appreciate that, but this vaccination fearmongering is going too far. There’s nothing in the legislation you cite that says that the government will conduct forced vaccinations in your home. The proposal includes funding for home visits, but doesn’t say anything about them being conducted by force.

There are many programs that involve the government providing home-based services to people who are unwilling or unable to get them otherwise. If a child is sick for three weeks and can’t go to school, and the government sends a tutor, we don’t call her a “phonics storm trooper who knocked down your door with workbooks blazing.” To say that “the health storm troopers will be deployed to knock down your door with needles blazing” is completely unwarranted and irresponsible, but I suppose it’s not surprising coming from an organization (the Health Freedom Alliance) that has another post on their site describing a vaccination campaign as “genocide.”

The Health Freedom Alliance is obviously opposed to vaccinations, so perhaps they’re not the most objective source of information on this legislation. I’ve searched, but I can’t find any mainstream site that describes these home visits as forced. Unless you can explain where this idea is coming from, please don’t keep repeating it.

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