Comments on: Chlorine-Free Swimming Pools http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/ Natural Health Solutions with Jini Patel Thompson Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:06:47 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: David Jackson http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-8816 David Jackson Sat, 24 Dec 2011 06:08:46 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-8816 I would welcome clarification on this statement of how chlorine will alter the neutral of pH? It is accepted that pH is measured on a scale between 0 and 14 with 7 being the mid point below 7 it is considered acidic and above 7 it is alkaline. A saltwater system produces Chlorine exactly the same way as it is manufactured commercially so the commercial products you purchase are manufactured from salt. A salt system produces hypochlorous acid (HCIO), and sodium hypochlorite (NaClO), which are the sanitizing agents already commonly used in swimming pools since swimming pools have been in use. Tile grout will naturally be eroded by the water in the pool as we can see in nature water will eventually dissolve most things, but having your pH below 7 will ensure the pool water is acidic and will speed the process up. My company supplies both systems, they both have their advantages and disadvantages, the main advantage of Chlorine is that it is a very effective sanitizer with reasonably short kill times for most bacteria. Ionisation systems do not have a short kill time for bacteria, they take much longer which is why public pools still maintain a residual level of Chlorine to ensure as far as reasonably practical that public safety is maintained. For a private pool with good knowledge of the health of the swimmers using the pool an Ionisation/Oxidation system will provide reasonably adequate sanitation without the addition of Chlorine although periodically it could be wise to 'shock' the water with an additional sanitiser either H2O2 for Chlorine free or use chlorine which will soon dissipate anyway. If you are unsure of the swimmers health or hygiene then a Saltwater system is better, you can control exactly what chemicals are added and operate with low levels of Chlorine - typically .6 to 1.5ppm unlike using commercial tablets which contain many chemicals and often require a Chlorine level much higher to maintain a healthy "looking" pool. I would welcome clarification on this statement of how chlorine will alter the neutral of pH? It is accepted that pH is measured on a scale between 0 and 14 with 7 being the mid point below 7 it is considered acidic and above 7 it is alkaline.
A saltwater system produces Chlorine exactly the same way as it is manufactured commercially so the commercial products you purchase are manufactured from salt.
A salt system produces hypochlorous acid (HCIO), and sodium hypochlorite (NaClO), which are the sanitizing agents already commonly used in swimming pools since swimming pools have been in use.
Tile grout will naturally be eroded by the water in the pool as we can see in nature water will eventually dissolve most things, but having your pH below 7 will ensure the pool water is acidic and will speed the process up.
My company supplies both systems, they both have their advantages and disadvantages, the main advantage of Chlorine is that it is a very effective sanitizer with reasonably short kill times for most bacteria.
Ionisation systems do not have a short kill time for bacteria, they take much longer which is why public pools still maintain a residual level of Chlorine to ensure as far as reasonably practical that public safety is maintained.
For a private pool with good knowledge of the health of the swimmers using the pool an Ionisation/Oxidation system will provide reasonably adequate sanitation without the addition of Chlorine although periodically it could be wise to ‘shock’ the water with an additional sanitiser either H2O2 for Chlorine free or use chlorine which will soon dissipate anyway.
If you are unsure of the swimmers health or hygiene then a Saltwater system is better, you can control exactly what chemicals are added and operate with low levels of Chlorine – typically .6 to 1.5ppm unlike using commercial tablets which contain many chemicals and often require a Chlorine level much higher to maintain a healthy “looking” pool.

]]> By: Mike Dewar http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-8815 Mike Dewar Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:12:20 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-8815 the saltwater system will eat grout with the pH lower because of the chlorine. With chlorine in the water the neutral pH is actually around 7.6 which is why the water is corrosive when the pH is lower. With Ecosmarte, the pH would have to be run less than 6.4 to create this effect. The Ecosmarte system also eliminates scale and prevents it from occurring as the Calcium becomes bicarbonate. This is a much more environmentally friendly approach. the saltwater system will eat grout with the pH lower because of the chlorine. With chlorine in the water the neutral pH is actually around 7.6 which is why the water is corrosive when the pH is lower.
With Ecosmarte, the pH would have to be run less than 6.4 to create this effect. The Ecosmarte system also eliminates scale and prevents it from occurring as the Calcium becomes bicarbonate. This is a much more environmentally friendly approach.

]]> By: David Jackson http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-8814 David Jackson Fri, 23 Dec 2011 07:31:26 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-8814 Saltwater system or Ionisation, Basically one (Saltwater) produces Chlorine and the other does not, both work very well with the Saltwater systems being more prolific than Ionisation as they have been around for longer worldwide and originally banned for use in Australia because the Bacteria 'kill' time for Chlorine is much greater than with Ionisation which is why you will find very few Ionisation systems in public pools unless they also have a Chlorine system in-place as well, the chlorine levels can be much lower but it is considered necessary to also have a chlorine residual and local health authorities expect to be able to measure a Chlorine residual in the pool. Saltwater systems will also operate with a higher pH 7.2-7.6 and Ionisation system likes the pH to be as neutral as possible so that is 7 or below, if we allow our pH to be below 7 the water then becomes acidic and will dissolve any tile grout etc. it would also need to have an auto-pH system to maintain the pH so accurately so the complete installation would initially be more expensive, although any sanitising method would benefit from auto-pH as the sanitiser whether it is Ionisation or Chlorine works so much more efficiently and saves money in-itself. Maintenance wise, on the previous quote above there is probably little difference in cost a new Saltwater cell should cost about €200 - 400 and last up to 8 years depending on manufacturer. Ionisation systems need careful monitoring initially to get the ionising system timed correctly, if they produce too many copper or silver Ions they can stain the pool Saltwater system or Ionisation,
Basically one (Saltwater) produces Chlorine and the other does not, both work very well with the Saltwater systems being more prolific than Ionisation as they have been around for longer worldwide and originally banned for use in Australia because the Bacteria ‘kill’ time for Chlorine is much greater than with Ionisation which is why you will find very few Ionisation systems in public pools unless they also have a Chlorine system in-place as well, the chlorine levels can be much lower but it is considered necessary to also have a chlorine residual and local health authorities expect to be able to measure a Chlorine residual in the pool.
Saltwater systems will also operate with a higher pH 7.2-7.6 and Ionisation system likes the pH to be as neutral as possible so that is 7 or below, if we allow our pH to be below 7 the water then becomes acidic and will dissolve any tile grout etc. it would also need to have an auto-pH system to maintain the pH so accurately so the complete installation would initially be more expensive, although any sanitising method would benefit from auto-pH as the sanitiser whether it is Ionisation or Chlorine works so much more efficiently and saves money in-itself.
Maintenance wise, on the previous quote above there is probably little difference in cost a new Saltwater cell should cost about €200 – 400 and last up to 8 years depending on manufacturer.
Ionisation systems need careful monitoring initially to get the ionising system timed correctly, if they produce too many copper or silver Ions they can stain the pool

]]> By: Mike Dewar http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-8813 Mike Dewar Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:13:44 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-8813 With the Ecosmarte system, there is no need for algaecide as long as we keep the pH correct. We also only need to replace the copper bars every few years and they cost under $200. The system also uses very little energy, so there is almost no cost in running the system. With the Ecosmarte system, there is no need for algaecide as long as we keep the pH correct. We also only need to replace the copper bars every few years and they cost under $200. The system also uses very little energy, so there is almost no cost in running the system.

]]> By: IMAD YOUSEF http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-8811 IMAD YOUSEF Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:18:39 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-8811 DEAR ALL , THE COMMENTS MADE EVEN MORE DIFFICULT TO DECIDE !! BETWEEN SALT CHLORINATION & ECOSMARTE UNIT .WE NEED PH ADJUSTMENT IN BOTH CASES O.K. FINE .BUT WHAT ABOUT ALGAESIDE DO WE NEED TO USE IT !!! HOW OFTEN WE NEED TO REPLACE PARTS IN EACH CASE .!!! WHAT IS THE MORE EXPENSIVE TO RUN !!! NEED FEED BACK ON THIS . DEAR ALL , THE COMMENTS MADE EVEN MORE DIFFICULT TO DECIDE !! BETWEEN
SALT CHLORINATION & ECOSMARTE UNIT .WE NEED PH ADJUSTMENT IN BOTH CASES O.K. FINE .BUT WHAT ABOUT ALGAESIDE DO WE NEED TO USE IT !!! HOW OFTEN WE NEED TO REPLACE PARTS IN EACH CASE .!!! WHAT IS THE MORE EXPENSIVE TO RUN !!!
NEED FEED BACK ON THIS .

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]]> By: Mike Dewar http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-4595 Mike Dewar Wed, 02 Mar 2011 20:10:25 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-4595 i absolutely love my Ecosmarte system. you cant beat the softer feel of the water and with no chlorine there are no nasty odors in our indoor pool. the water is enjoyable year round and very easy to maintain. i absolutely love my Ecosmarte system. you cant beat the softer feel of the water and with no chlorine there are no nasty odors in our indoor pool. the water is enjoyable year round and very easy to maintain.

]]> By: Janine Lusher http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-2628 Janine Lusher Fri, 15 Oct 2010 23:42:23 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-2628 I have installed a copper/ silver ionisation system, absolutely fantastic, when we installed the pool I had salt water I didn't want chlorine but I didn't do enough research obviously a salt makes chlorine, we found it hard to keep it clean, when you were swimming it made your eyes sting and when you came out of the pool your hair was dry and salty. Everyone said get an ozone system which we did, you don't need chlorine beautiful clean water, well as everyone else probably knows you need chlorine with it, so that didn't work. I was on the internet and came across a company called Enviroswim and have never looked back. We only need to run the pump for 4 hours a day and a bit of acid once a week and a bit of bicarb, no chlorine and it is crystal clear, you can even open your eyes under water and don't even have to wash your hair, best decision we ever made. I now have peace of mind knowing that the kids can swim without chemicals. I have installed a copper/ silver ionisation system, absolutely fantastic, when we installed the pool I had salt water I didn’t want chlorine but I didn’t do enough research obviously a salt makes chlorine, we found it hard to keep it clean, when you were swimming it made your eyes sting and when you came out of the pool your hair was dry and salty. Everyone said get an ozone system which we did, you don’t need chlorine beautiful clean water, well as everyone else probably knows you need chlorine with it, so that didn’t work. I was on the internet and came across a company called Enviroswim and have never looked back. We only need to run the pump for 4 hours a day and a bit of acid once a week and a bit of bicarb, no chlorine and it is crystal clear, you can even open your eyes under water and don’t even have to wash your hair, best decision we ever made. I now have peace of mind knowing that the kids can swim without chemicals.

]]> By: David Jackson http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-2613 David Jackson Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:42:09 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-2613 Hi Michelle, The very best advice I can give is forget the ozone, it is expensive in all areas purchase parts and requires you run your system 24/7. A saltwater system so long as you monitor stabilizer levels (Cyanuric Acid - needs to be between 35-50ppm max) will do the job, now the best additional bit of kit would be Auto-pH. pH needs to be maintained at 7.2 - 7.6 preferably 7.2 at 7.2 the chlorine is working around 70% efficient at 8 the chlorine is only 20% efficient so the chlorine salt generator will be working less to maintain the level in the pool which only needs to be from about .8 to 2ppm. It is still a chlorine pool but less so many Chloromines in the water due to the majority of the water pasing through the salt cell is 'Super-chlorinated' which burns up any excess organic matter. We have sold salt system to people with really bad skin regarding sensitivity to Chlorine and they are compleatly OK with it. With Ionization systems you also need good pH control and an Oxydation system as well some have both done electronically, a little bit more fussy than a salt system but again once yu get used to it - OK. Although they can also stain the pool easily the copper electrode ones with a turquoise and silver electrodes with black. Hope this helps, Regards, Dave Hi Michelle,
The very best advice I can give is forget the ozone, it is expensive in all areas purchase parts and requires you run your system 24/7.

A saltwater system so long as you monitor stabilizer levels (Cyanuric Acid – needs to be between 35-50ppm max) will do the job, now the best additional bit of kit would be Auto-pH.
pH needs to be maintained at 7.2 – 7.6 preferably 7.2 at 7.2 the chlorine is working around 70% efficient at 8 the chlorine is only 20% efficient so the chlorine salt generator will be working less to maintain the level in the pool which only needs to be from about .8 to 2ppm.
It is still a chlorine pool but less so many Chloromines in the water due to the majority of the water pasing through the salt cell is ‘Super-chlorinated’ which burns up any excess organic matter.
We have sold salt system to people with really bad skin regarding sensitivity to Chlorine and they are compleatly OK with it.
With Ionization systems you also need good pH control and an Oxydation system as well some have both done electronically, a little bit more fussy than a salt system but again once yu get used to it – OK. Although they can also stain the pool easily the copper electrode ones with a turquoise and silver electrodes with black.
Hope this helps, Regards, Dave

]]> By: JINI http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-2608 JINI Wed, 13 Oct 2010 00:30:26 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-2608 Hi Michelle, all I can tell you is that my 4 year old develops excema from chlorine in bath water or swimming pools. But he swam all summer in an outdoor salt water pool and was fine. I too am very sensitive to chlorine - makes me itch like crazy, even after a shower (with chlorine filter showerhead) and moisturizing lotion applied. I too swam repeatedly in the outdoor salt water pool - did not shower afterwards and went to the beach for 3 hours and STILL no itching. I think the copper ionization system sounds ideal if you can get it, but hope my feedback helps you. Hi Michelle, all I can tell you is that my 4 year old develops excema from chlorine in bath water or swimming pools. But he swam all summer in an outdoor salt water pool and was fine. I too am very sensitive to chlorine – makes me itch like crazy, even after a shower (with chlorine filter showerhead) and moisturizing lotion applied. I too swam repeatedly in the outdoor salt water pool – did not shower afterwards and went to the beach for 3 hours and STILL no itching.

I think the copper ionization system sounds ideal if you can get it, but hope my feedback helps you.

]]> By: Michelle Michaelsen http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-2607 Michelle Michaelsen Tue, 12 Oct 2010 22:49:45 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-2607 I'm about to have a pool installed outside of our house. The builder suggests salt-water, which he uses personally. I have read Dr. Mercola's posts and am wondering about the combination of a salt water system and ozone system. Is that possible? The ozone system would keep the excess chlorine levels down in theory... I'm confused in Texas. We don't have a lot of options. Our choices were: chlorinated, salt-water, or ozone system. Help! I’m about to have a pool installed outside of our house. The builder suggests salt-water, which he uses personally. I have read Dr. Mercola’s posts and am wondering about the combination of a salt water system and ozone system. Is that possible? The ozone system would keep the excess chlorine levels down in theory…

I’m confused in Texas. We don’t have a lot of options. Our choices were: chlorinated, salt-water, or ozone system. Help!

]]> By: JINI http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-2336 JINI Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:19:56 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-2336 PETE - that's a great idea - had a look at your site. Do you have any ballpark estimates for the cost difference between building an indoor pool (with lots of big windows) vs. one of your structures? PETE – that’s a great idea – had a look at your site. Do you have any ballpark estimates for the cost difference between building an indoor pool (with lots of big windows) vs. one of your structures?

]]> By: Pete http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-2335 Pete Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:12:30 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-2335 Having a outdoor pool and covering it with a retractable pool enclosure will give you an outdoor indoor pool for year round swimming. It also keeps the house separate from the pool, eliminating a number of issues. Having a outdoor pool and covering it with a retractable pool enclosure will give you an outdoor indoor pool for year round swimming. It also keeps the house separate from the pool, eliminating a number of issues.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-1602 Andrew Sun, 27 Dec 2009 02:32:10 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-1602 Thank you for the wonderful suggestions. Keep up the great work! God Bless -Andrew Thank you for the wonderful suggestions. Keep up the great work! God Bless
-Andrew

]]> By: Dave Jackson http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-1463 Dave Jackson Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:31:15 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-1463 The salt levels in a saltwater pool are much less than the salt level in the human body, it is therefore better for the human skin and body as a whole to swim in a mild saltwater pool than fresh water, which is why a saline solution is used in hospital to treat patients for dehydration, the tears in our eyes have a higher concentration of salt than that found in a saltwater pool. A saltwater pool manufactures Chlorine in the pool, just simple straightfoirward chlorine without all the additional packaging associated with commercial pool chemicals, calcium cyanuric acid and a host of additional chemicals that really do no more than turn the pool into a chemical soup, in particulr the build-up of cyanuric acid unless closely monitored and controlled reduces the operation and effect of the chlorine requiring more chlorine to be added to acheive sanitation of the pool water. Unfortunately with these greater values of chlorine the health risks are increased beyond the reccommended safe levels 0f 0.7~1.6ppm, Cyanuric acid maximum 50ppm which in most private pools are over five times this value. Salt does not create a greater level of corrosion with Chlorine being ten times more corrosive than salt there are very few components in a correctly constructed pool where corrosion is a potential problem, however the practice of placing chlorine tablets in the skimmer baskets adds considerably to the detriment of the skimmer basket, pipework from the skimmers to the pump, the pump and filter where high concentrations of chlorine exist while the pump is in standby - most of the day. All dosing equipment introduces chlorine after the filtration system and a salt chlorine generator only produces high levels of chlorine while the filtration system is running, furthermore all water passing through the salt chlorine generator cell is 'super chlorinated' ensuring bacteria is destroyed and the pool sanitised. It is difficult to compare a pool with an automobile which is constructed mainly of mild steel, pools do have mild steel reinforcing in the concrete, similar to most harbours around the world that are not constructed with wooden timbers and so long as the pool is constructed using good design and practice this will not be a problem, anymore than the corrosive effects of the chlorine Regards, Dave The salt levels in a saltwater pool are much less than the salt level in the human body, it is therefore better for the human skin and body as a whole to swim in a mild saltwater pool than fresh water, which is why a saline solution is used in hospital to treat patients for dehydration, the tears in our eyes have a higher concentration of salt than that found in a saltwater pool.

A saltwater pool manufactures Chlorine in the pool, just simple straightfoirward chlorine without all the additional packaging associated with commercial pool chemicals, calcium cyanuric acid and a host of additional chemicals that really do no more than turn the pool into a chemical soup, in particulr the build-up of cyanuric acid unless closely monitored and controlled reduces the operation and effect of the chlorine requiring more chlorine to be added to acheive sanitation of the pool water.
Unfortunately with these greater values of chlorine the health risks are increased beyond the reccommended safe levels 0f 0.7~1.6ppm, Cyanuric acid maximum 50ppm which in most private pools are over five times this value.

Salt does not create a greater level of corrosion with Chlorine being ten times more corrosive than salt there are very few components in a correctly constructed pool where corrosion is a potential problem, however the practice of placing chlorine tablets in the skimmer baskets adds considerably to the detriment of the skimmer basket, pipework from the skimmers to the pump, the pump and filter where high concentrations of chlorine exist while the pump is in standby – most of the day.

All dosing equipment introduces chlorine after the filtration system and a salt chlorine generator only produces high levels of chlorine while the filtration system is running, furthermore all water passing through the salt chlorine generator cell is ‘super chlorinated’ ensuring bacteria is destroyed and the pool sanitised.

It is difficult to compare a pool with an automobile which is constructed mainly of mild steel, pools do have mild steel reinforcing in the concrete, similar to most harbours around the world that are not constructed with wooden timbers and so long as the pool is constructed using good design and practice this will not be a problem, anymore than the corrosive effects of the chlorine

Regards, Dave

]]> By: larry couture http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-1460 larry couture Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:30:48 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-1460 Before people believe that a saltwater chlorine generator is their answer they should first define what they are hoping to accomplish with their purchase. With a salt pool you get the worst of both worlds, salt and chlorine. Salt is worse for you healthwise than the chlorine and when the water evaporates the sodium corrodes the equipment just like northern automobiles with road salt. Sadly nearly half of all pool builds in 2008 received a salt chlorine generator Before people believe that a saltwater chlorine generator is their answer they should first define what they are hoping to accomplish with their purchase. With a salt pool you get the worst of both worlds, salt and chlorine. Salt is worse for you healthwise than the chlorine and when the water evaporates the sodium corrodes the equipment just like northern automobiles with road salt. Sadly nearly half of all pool builds in 2008 received a salt chlorine generator

]]> By: JINI http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-1404 JINI Thu, 01 Oct 2009 06:18:16 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-1404 Dr. Paget - so if you add hydrogen peroxide (of which I'm a big fan of for a variety of health uses) to the pool water, do you need to do or add anything else? And can you use just hydrogen peroxided for hot tubs as well? *keep in mind that most of the info above is NOT from me - I am merely quoting from other sources, presenting different opinions. Gary - good point about UV - if you have a link to some home systems, please post it so others can benefit. Dr. Paget – so if you add hydrogen peroxide (of which I’m a big fan of for a variety of health uses) to the pool water, do you need to do or add anything else? And can you use just hydrogen peroxided for hot tubs as well? *keep in mind that most of the info above is NOT from me – I am merely quoting from other sources, presenting different opinions.

Gary – good point about UV – if you have a link to some home systems, please post it so others can benefit.

]]> By: gary http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-1388 gary Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:23:35 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-1388 How about UV? If all of these other system were so spectacular why then aren't all labratories and fish culture enterprises, and hospitals shifting to these other technologies? Low electrical use, no moving parts, eliminates most bacteria and virus, germs, including HIV, H1N1, leageonairs, to name just a few of the majors we face today. Please look into this system. In terms of cost they are almost one-half the cost of the salt systems and replacement of the bulbs at 9000 hour intervals costs 35 euros thats almost 5 years of use over here in europe. How about UV? If all of these other system were so spectacular why then aren’t all labratories and fish culture enterprises, and hospitals shifting to these other technologies? Low electrical use, no moving parts, eliminates most bacteria and virus, germs, including HIV, H1N1, leageonairs, to name just a few of the majors we face today. Please look into this system. In terms of cost they are almost one-half the cost of the salt systems and replacement of the bulbs at 9000 hour intervals costs 35 euros thats almost 5 years of use over here in europe.

]]> By: dr paget http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-1143 dr paget Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:11:44 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-1143 The first choice should be hydrogen peroxide. It is astounding that you would say that there are no health benefits to using hydrogen peroxide. Check the research. It is also extremely inexpensive. One pint of 35% food grade HP is only $14.000. You only need 2 cups for 500 gallons! The first choice should be hydrogen peroxide. It is astounding that you would say that there are no health benefits to using hydrogen peroxide. Check the research. It is also extremely inexpensive. One pint of 35% food grade HP is only $14.000. You only need 2 cups for 500 gallons!

]]> By: Dana http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-888 Dana Sat, 09 May 2009 03:32:37 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-888 Sylvia, Could you tell me about the pricing for Grander? I have an in ground pool. Sylvia,
Could you tell me about the pricing for Grander? I have an in ground pool.

]]> By: Dave Jackson http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-373 Dave Jackson Sun, 05 Apr 2009 16:54:29 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-373 saltwater chlorine generators are different to using manufactured chemical chlorine products, the majority of harmful bi-products with Chlorine pools are due to poor chlorination with a saltwater generation as the water passes through the 'cell' it is 'super chlorinated, you therefore do not get the bi-product toxic chloromines being produced. If you really don't want a chlorine pool there is an alternative 'pure-magic' http://www.watermaid-europe.com/Ionisation-oxidation.html this is a similar system to the ecosmarte system. You do have to maintain the pH very stricktly wiith all systems chemical or generated but ionisation system prefer the pH to be between 6.8~7.2 outside f this and it is not working. Hope this has been useful - Dave saltwater chlorine generators are different to using manufactured chemical chlorine products, the majority of harmful bi-products with Chlorine pools are due to poor chlorination with a saltwater generation as the water passes through the ‘cell’ it is ‘super chlorinated, you therefore do not get the bi-product toxic chloromines being produced.
If you really don’t want a chlorine pool there is an alternative ‘pure-magic’ http://www.watermaid-europe.com/Ionisation-oxidation.html this is a similar system to the ecosmarte system.
You do have to maintain the pH very stricktly wiith all systems chemical or generated but ionisation system prefer the pH to be between 6.8~7.2 outside f this and it is not working.

Hope this has been useful – Dave

]]> By: Sylvia http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/chlorine-free-swimming-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-270 Sylvia Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:20:05 +0000 http://www.listen2yourgut.com/blog/?p=67#comment-270 Check out grander water as well. I don't know a website address but I'm sure you can google it. Comes out of Austria. It's quite interesting actually. We had a filter installed in our house recently, but they also do pools, etc. I know that there are a lot of farmers changing over to grander water in Central Alberta. I could get you more information if you would like. (I don't sell it but know who does) Check out grander water as well. I don’t know a website address but I’m sure you can google it. Comes out of Austria. It’s quite interesting actually. We had a filter installed in our house recently, but they also do pools, etc. I know that there are a lot of farmers changing over to grander water in Central Alberta. I could get you more information if you would like. (I don’t sell it but know who does)

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